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17 Hornet vs 17 Fireball - posted in Varminter Magazine - Main Hunting Discussion Forum: I am simply curious as to the opinions of others. And I'll tell you that thing was [beeep] on crows out to 300yds! Hornady dies are listed on Cabela's web-site for 32.99. I would guess the 17 hornet uses about 12 grains of powder compared to 18grns for the fireball. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .17 HMR Hornady Magnum Rimfire vs .22 Hornet ammo rounds. Noise & Performance... 17 Fireball vs. 22 Hornet Firearms and Optics. Yes, the company's first .17-caliber cartridge is faster (by 250 feet per second), flatter (by about .7 inch at 300 yards) and more powerful (by roughly 100 foot-pounds at the muzzle). None, I didn't waste a second on it because neither of them are calling rifles anyways. Great topic. Based on the 22 Hornet cartridge case, the 17 Hornet propels the 20 gr V-MAX at 3,650 fps. That said, I own and shoot two .17 Fireballs...Remington 700 and Encore. I have to agree that I don't see the Hornet taking off when the Fireball hasn't. I have a set coming. Custom services is found on their website in the sidebar at the bottom. I've never had a 22 Hornet but I do have a CZ 527 Varmint in 17 Hornet and it is just about one of the funnest little guns to shoot that I have ever owned. Yeah, my .17 Hornet is a CZ 527. Good round fast little to no recoil, accurate! Accuracy, game performance? Because the .17 Fireball burns less powder than the .17 Remington and drives its bullet at a lower velocity with less pressure, it fouls the bore less rapidly. JMHO. So Remington now has a newer cartridge out, the 17 Fireball, which is just like the older 17 Mach IV wildcat. I also shoot .17 HMR, .222, .22 Hornet, and .223 in small caliber rounds. I would think comparing it to the fireball, no there is no advantage, however it would be quite the improvment to the 17 HMR. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 9 of 9 Posts. Just like I can load my .17 Remmy down to .17 FB levels, I can load it down to .17 Hornet as well. The first three shot well out of the gate. I think Hornady and Ruger are more on their marketing game than Remington has been lately, but time will tell. The .17 Remington Fireball was created in 2007 by Remington Arms Company as a response to the popular wildcat round, the .17 Mach IV.Factory loads drive a 20 grain (1.3 g) bullet around 4,000 ft/s (1,219 m/s). If you pick up some of the 30, 27, or 25 grain gold bullets from Todd Kindler it can make the .17 fireball a real contender in the .204 realm. also there doesn't seam to be a shortage of brass for 17 rem. The fireball has almost zero recoil, has less report, and takes less powder. Uses less powder, so you can shoot more at a prairie dog town before the barrel gets hot. I shoot factory 17 fireball out of it without an issue. Both are important issues to high-volume shooters such as varmint hunters. The Official Predator Masters Search Engine. and only 1 load for the 17 Rem. When you get into the 30 gr Bergers the.17 Rem will pull away. Two things have worked for all of my 527 rifles and for others I've shot. Just my 2 cents Looks like I'm the odd man out because I think the 17FB is the best all around walking varminter cartrige ever, but I agree with Cat in that you need to build one rather than buying one of Remmy's which are/were known for sloppy chambers. I think the Hornet or the FB versions (maybe even the HMR or the WSM) may fit more average hunting scenarios better in the eastern US for sure than the Rem version, just based on population of humans (less noise), and generally shorter shooting ranges. It’s a under 200 yard fox rifle that doesn’t destroy pelts and a close range quiet rifle for small game ( chucks , rabbits etc) . The Hornet neck is very thin and with tiny 17 caliber bullets it is difficult to set them in the neck straight before seating the bullets - unless you have a straight line seater. I have taken boocoos of ground squirrels with 10 grains of Blue Dot with the 20 grain Vmax. The 25 Gr grain bullet from the Hornet listed at 3,283 ft/sec. Many .17 Remington shooters have reported optimum accuracy when the bore is cleaned after every 10 - 20 shots, though more modern metallurgy used in both barrels and bullets has largely mitigated the fouling issue. 17 Mach IV vs. 17 Fireball Cooper is pimping the 17 Fireball now over the 17 Mach IV, although they still offer the Mach IV chambering. The muzzle velocities generated by the .17 Hornet run considerably slower than the .17 Remington—3650 fps for the 20-grain load, and 3870 fps for the lighter 15.5-grain NTX load from Hornady—yet the pressures, barrel wear and fouling are also less than those associated with the larger-cased .17 Remington. But the Rugers people mentioned in the last few posts shoot very well. the new 17 hornady hornet, besides being commercially produced, is there any significant advantageover the fireball? Lee custom services will make a collet neck sizer and seating die set for the 17AH for 60 bucks and shipping of 4.95 custom made to YOUR fired brass and chamber. I have access to a Mach IV reamer, and I was thinking of building one, but now that there is a factory version out, I need to know if the two cartridges are identical. I am interested in a 17 center fire and wanted to ask the same question. yes it uses more powder. The Official Predator Masters Search Engine, http://shop.reedsammo.com/product.sc?productId=1850&categoryId=121. I see no point in getting a K Hornet or Hornet … Maybe my memory isn't the best but it seemed to me the fireball never generated interest when in my opinion it is built on the much superior case, better ballistics, etc. The other top-sellers are the .17 Mach IV, .17 Rem., .17 Fireball and Hornady’s .17 Hornet. It's the same situation with the .260 Remington which is one heck of a good cartridge that other ammo manufacturers are reluctant to support. Part of the great appeal of the centerfire .17's is their mild recoil and relatively tame muzzle blast. Pretty easy to do too. you have to be happy with what comes up for sale or its a case of getting one built. The 17 Hornet is my favorite truck, carry, gun out to 300 plus yards. I have used the 17 HM2, 17 HMR, 17 Fireball, 17 Rem, 204 Ruger , 22 Hornet, 221 Fireball, 222 Rem. So how does the .17 Ackley Hornet compare with cartridges with larger capacities? Remington doesn't even chamber a rifle for the 17 Rem. I think the hornet would be better for colony varmints and a longer string of shots, not heating the barrel so quickly and using about 60-70% of powder compared to the 17 FB. The Fireball fired the 25 grain bullet out at 3,850 ft/sec. I was looking at Remingtons web site and saw these two cartridges. Even then you are going to buckle some necks on the 17 hornet. They are both neat cartridges though. But there are those nagging issues of fouling and barrel erosion following it around. The 17 Hornet uses about half the weight of powder than the Fireball so the Hornet has a higher ft/sec per grain of powder ratio. Good point Darby... $140 would buy a little brass. WTB 23" 17 Fireball or 17 Hornet. Disappointed how? Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet w With 20 gr bullets, the Fireball runs close to 300 fps faster and produces around 100 f/lbs more energy @ 100 yards with that extra powder. Yep, like Strut mentioned, the centerfire.17 cartridges are a different class than the rimfire versions. Fireball. If it is okay, can we also talk about the 17 Rem on this post? Again, var… The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. but it will do everything the 17 hornet will. That's negotiable if … It takes 24 plus gr of powder to do this though. If thats the case, then maybe the extra steps it takes to produce Ackley 17 Hornet brass would pay off? Even the largest .17 cartridge, the .17 Remington, … The 204 ruger is superior in my humble opinion . For the record. When all are loaded to maximum with a 20-grain bullet and fired in barrels of the same length, the little cartridge is about 300 fps slower than the .17 Mach IV and .17 Remington Fireball, and about 600 fps slower than the .17 … Remington has 2 loads for the 17 Rem. From the 17 hm2 to 17 rem I like the 17 hornet the best. Naturally, shooters will want to compare the .17 Remington Fireball with the .17 Remington. 17WSM up again....LOL!!! The same as the ambiental (outside) temperature. Since getting the 221 Fireball the old 22 Hornet stays at home. Velocity is close to the .17 Remington but with significantly less powder, and therefore less heat and fouling. While the .17 Hornet peaks my interest, I have no real reason to think that it will do anyting that the Fireball won't do better. The only downloading I do is after my second cup of coffe in the morning. Why all the sudden interest in the hornet when the 17 fireball seemed to receive so little? The 17 and 6.5 needed quite a few to settle in. Are the Guys that buy the rifle gonna buy the brass as soon as it hits the shelves? On a PD shoot about 10 days ago one friend brought a Ruger in .17 Hornet and another a Ruger in .17 HMR, and both wanted me to try them out. My handloads in the .17 Hornet get around 3800, but with the 20-grain V-Max, which holds on to velocity better than the 17-grain bullets in the HMR. You won't have this problem on the FireBall to as great an extent. 223 Rem, and other cartridge rifle for shooting prairie dogs. 22 Hornets have been around forever, and maybe the brass is more available? How available will the new Hornet Brass be once it hits the market? when I see something cool, different or unique, that where the fun is. When you drop the pressures down this far your brass life more than doubles, and at least with my gun, accuracy stays wonderful. The 30 grain gold has as high of a BC as the 40 grain 204 Vmax bullet. And should you want to you can load the .17 Rem up to its full potential and leave the .17 FB in the dust. For the handloader the .17 Rem makes better sense due to the fact that you can download it slightly resulting in longer brass life and still have a round with the same power that the .17 FB has. I also shoot .17 HMR, .222, .22 Hornet, and .223 in small caliber rounds. I see niche uses for all of them, and since the vast majority of shooters are not handloaders, niche uses for all of them. In general I'd say there's at least 100 yards difference in consistent performance, maybe more like 150. Much the same as the .221 Fireball and the .223 Remington. Skip the set trigger and adjust the … The Fireball is by far the most fun to hunt with for groundhogs, fox, and coyote. Note: A full length article about the .17 Remington Fireball can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. unlike the 17 hornet and 17 fireball. I was thinking that I wanted one of those .17 Hornets at first, but now I'm not so sure. The .17 Hornet, for example, has proven to be one of the most accurate cartridges ever tested by Guns and Shooting Online. Already having a 17FB in the safe? Charlie, in your opinion, what the max range on coyotes with the Fireball and a "good" bullet?? The Hornet has long been a favorite in the Varmint Hunting arena and although the 17 Fireball is making a pretty big splash, I'm wondering how compare in the categories of noise and in performance. They did very well, though if mine I would have worked the triggers over a little. Both shoot better than I can shoot them. I don't know anything about either of them. Both shoot better than I can shoot them. I think the biggest problem with the Fireball is that Remington is way over-priced on their ammo and most other manufacturers like Hornady chose to come out with their own similar calibers rather than load for a Remington round. Im wondering about that too. 1. 17 Hornet 20 gr V-MAX® Superformance® Varmint Item #83005 | 25/Box . I agree that if your set on the fireball the rebarreling a 223 is a great idea. Has a Burris mount/rings with a Nikon 4-12 Long Range BDC scope on it now. Out West, more open longer ranges with less people as a rule. Fueled with Superformance propellent, the 17 Hornet Superformance Varmint is economically priced, and delivers the trajectory of a traditional 55 gr 223 load, but is … Accuracy, increased range, flatter trajectory, less wind drift and devastating terminal results are all realized with Superformance ® Varmint ammunition.. Find a Retailer Fouling problems are reported to be much less pronounced than with the .17 Remington. I would say no. Now if you really wanna stir the pot, we can bring the new Win. Should be interesting to see how the round does commercially. He used the following bolt-action, single-shot, and lever-action rifles (left to right): Ruger Model 77/17H, SSK Industries Contender, Remington Model 700 LTD, Sako L46, Marlin 1894CL, and Cooper Model 21. Superformance ® Varmint ammunition delivers muzzle velocity increases of 100 to 200 feet per second from EVERY gun. Ive shot the Fireball and liked it. The 17 Mach IV as its been known for decades which is the new.17 Fireball is very close to the.17 Rem with the lighter bullets that weigh up to 25 grains. The Green Hornet - 1966 Corpse of the Year Part 1 1-17 was released on: USA: 13 January 1967 What is the body temp of a hornet? Two.17 Fireballs... Remington 17 fireball vs 17 hornet and Encore Hornady dies are listed on Cabela web-site. 'Ve shot but the Rugers people mentioned in the morning triggers over a little brass are.17... Hornet or Hornet … 17 fireball vs 17 hornet, my.17 Remmy down to.17 Hornet, being... 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